Review by Nick Jordan The Circus Is In Town The evening summer showers cleared on the drive over from Manchester - heading for the Liverpool docks for a Dylan show that would be my 5th time around - although my third show within a year, after two nights in a row at Portsmouth last September. Travelling with my partner and three friends - two of who had not seen Dylan before. We played the Gaslight Tapes as a sort of contextual primer for the show. The venue loomed against the grey Mersey river: a cartoon candy-coloured striped circus/bedouin tent. Showtime was 8pm, so we filed into the venue with the mixed crowd of Bobcats. We had good seats right down the front, but at the side of the stage, on the first tiered bank - so we were looking directly across the stage. Roadies tweaked the kit and the incense was lit and the tent filled with the buzz of expectation. There was a lengthy delay, allowing time to spot a few famous faces in the crowd: writer Alan Bleasdale, local bad boy Derek Hatton, and somewhere behind us, Elvis Costello, but I couldn't see him to be sure. Then the classical music swelled, the lights dipped and "Columbia recording artist Bob Dylan" ambled on stage through the darkness, and we were strait up and running with: Oh Babe, It Ain't No Lie And a good version it was too. Loud and strong. Dylan, despite looking a little frail and ragged as usual, struck an angled pose and nailed the song. Crowd ecstatic. A few brief words with the band. I was hoping for Song To Woody, as my friends are Woody Guthrie fans. Larry switches to mandolin and we get:To Ramona A good song for the number two slot. David Kemper played some load drums which propelled the song along, and some nice phrasing from Dylan suggested he was warming to the moment. Reading the setlists of this tour I was hoping he would continue to regularly break out the harp. However, I didn't expect it so soon. Not least on To Ramona. So it was great to hear him blow a hard 3 note repetitive riff towards the end of the song, which he pushed and developed as only Bob can. Crowd go wild at this and without much of a pause we're into: Desolation Row And this is where Dylan is finally, truly, In The Zone. The singing was very very good. Perhaps not as great as the version he did at Atlantic City last November (which I think is one of Dylan's finest vocal performances of recent times), but spectacular non-the-less. He really stretched out the phrasing with his vocals and guitar, spinning the song into uncharted grounds and mining the structure of the words for new meaning. And that is what he does best - fragmenting and disentangling the original context of these songs to build new ideas and references. And, on a lighter note, it was apt to hear the lines "the circus is in town" in this giant circus tent. Short break to slip on the electric guitars and here's: Maggie's Farm Now I've heard a version from Ashville this year which has a great winding guitar lick throughout from either Charlie or Larry. Tonight though was most definitely Bob's night, and neither Larry nor Charlie would get a look-in. This version was yet another new arrangement for the song. It's a shuffling country-boogie beat that has a new stop start feature, similar to Wicked Messenger or Drifter's Escape, where all the band stop playing except the drums. Dylan again cranks out the blues harp, for an extensive solo with plenty of knee bends and pointing the neck of his guitar at the crowd. Now it seems this is going to be a special gig. Another quick consultation on stage. Larry gets behind the steel guitar and I'm thinking "Where Teardrops Fall" or "Shooting Star" please Bob, so I was a tiny bit disappointed to hear the opening of: Just Like A Woman But it really developed into one of the best performances I've heard. Dylan's guitar playing was really good throughout the night, and he played some amazing sequences on this song. His guitar was mixed with nice humming buzz to it, and he fired off some blazing notes over the melody of the song. So I was really glad he played it after all. Song five this tour has been really unpredictable. No idea what to expect. Blind Willie McTell perhaps? We get a good solid version of: This Wheel's On Fire Good back-up vocals from Larry and Charlie. More buzzing, shattering notes from Bob. Back onto acoustic for: Visions Of Johanna An equal performance to the one I saw in Portsmouth. More good singing from Bob, alternating between his "rough" and "smooth" vocals. I thought we might get harp again but he kept to an exploration on his guitar which weaved in and out of the song. Didn't think we'd get this with Desolation Row in the same set. Then intoFourth Time Around Great to hear this again. Sung not as tenderly as Portsmouth last year, but expertly done - a nod to the Beatles perhaps, being in Liverpool? As the song ended, Dylan slides over to Larry, said a few words to him and played him the guitar melody of the song really slow, as if he was teaching Larry how it should go. Larry just shrugged and laughed. Next song:Boots Of Spanish Leather Which is one of my favourites and one I wanted to hear. And a long extended version too, with stretched out improvisation. Thought the harmonica would be appropriate on this too but it wasn't to be. Back onto the electrics for: Stuck Inside Of Mobile With The Memphis Blues Again Very loudly played with lots of energy. More fired-up solos from Dylan, who by now was clearly having a ball, and there was no way Charlie or Larry would steal his thunder. First time I've heard harmonica on this too, and it hammered home on the song. Big huddle on stage again and then Tony and David kick off: Positively 4th Street Opening with that great descending bass line. More excellent phrasing from Dylan: "Why dooooon't you just come out once and screeeEEEEEEeam it." Next I thought we'd get the final song of the main set, so when the rumble of the next song started I was surprised: Cold Irons Bound Really wanted to this new arrangement live. I think it's one of the best things this band has cooked up. Sounds like Tom Waits meets the Grateful Dead down a darkened windblown Chicago alley. Crowd go mad again, security men grab cameras, shots of "Go on Bobby!" and we're into Leopard-Skin Pill-Box Hat Which was a blast. At one point Dylan struck upon this three or four note riff which transformed the song into something else entirely - Tony was cracking up as Larry stepped up right behind Dylan and started copying the same riff. Cheeky, perhaps. No band intros. The band do not do a formation at the front of the stage anymore - just stand for a few moments at their spots. Show over. First encore: Things Have Changed Hard version. Vocals a little bit like the Oscar performance (oh dear), except that Dylan was adding a loud "Yeeeaaaahh" before he says "Things have changed", which rescued it. At the end he went to the back of the stage and came back out with the little Oscar and comically held it up to the crowd for a few seconds. Very funny Bob moment. And then all hell broke loose, because it's time for: Like A Rolling Stone And the crowd are now all standing and going ape shit. How does it feel indeed. And Dylan satisfied the crowd's desire for a familiar soundtrack to their past, while at the same time performing something new and vital. From our position we could see clearly the dynamics between the band. Dylan these days communicates everything through Charlie, who is now literally his right hand man. Bob gives the nod and Charlie, who watches Dylan's face constantly, looks and gestures to the rest of the band. One nod to Charlie and Charlie nods to David, who breaks down the song to allow Dylan the opening for another wild fuzzy solo. And so it goes on. The encores are now a roll call of Big Songs That Made Him Famous, so next we get Knockin' On Heaven's Door And it's sung with feeling - "wipe these tears from eyes" - like he really means it. And it's on this song that Charlie is finally allowed a few runs up his fretboard. Then Larry switches back to steel guitar for: All Along The Watchtower Thunderous version, with the deliberately hesitant start. More nods from Bob to Charlie and more solos from the main man. Larry is virtually ignored by Dylan. Back to acoustics: I Shall Be Released Good vocals all round, and nice to have two Basement Tape songs in the set. Back on the axe for: Highway 61 Revisited I thought either Larry or Charlie would step out into the spotlight for this, as on all the previous versions I've heard. But tonight was most definitely Bob's night, and so he even soloed here too. This is rock n roll and this is what it sounds like from the man who drew the map. Then it's: Blowin' In The Wind A rather sentimental way to send us home methinks. Wish he would drop it, despite a good performance. But then I think we can all drop the hope that he'll finish off with a solo rendition of Up To Me or something. But wait, they're back: Rainy Day Women #12 & 35 And yes, he played some mean blues harp on this like his life depended on it. A great silly song to round things up. Good fun. Still no band intros. In fact, not a word to the crowd all night. But he twitched and waved and stood swaying like the Chaplinesque puppet that he is. And then they were gone. Onto the next show, the next circus for this spellbinding troupe of wandering beat minstrels. Nick Review by Martin Gayford I was really disappointed he played Oh babe it ain't no lie, To ramona and Desolation row instead of Duncan & brady, Hollis brown and Baby blue but that's just me. He didn't seem to lift the performances to the level of Desolation row at Wembly, Wicked messenger or Frankie Lee & judas priest at Portsmouth last year (for example), but the show did have a strange quality that I rather liked, even though Bob's singing could have been better. I really needed the toilet as Stuck inside of mobile started, and went thinking that I probably wouldn't be missing much but got back to find him playing a great harmonica break to end the song. Maggies farm had a good newish arrangement with Bob kind of rapping the verses to the drums, Heaven's door also had a nice arrangement and even Rainy day women had great harmonica and strangely considered singing. I would have loved to hear Tell me that it isn't true, We better talk it over, Song to woody or Every grain of sand which we heard at the soundcheck, but we did get good performances of Visions of johanna, 4th time around and Boots of spanish leather, and I got a great view for the last 30 mins by standing on the stairs and managed to get some nice pictures. After the show I felt that he could have put more into it, but that he did enough to remind me that he's still with it (or not, depending on your preference). And it was nice to see him again. Review by David Reid Bob, Liverpool and me, 36 years of connections. It was good to be back there on the riverıs edge with its sense of space underneath a huge sky, memories of childhood and youth - memories of Bob shows at the Odeon Cinema in 65 and 66. Bob and Liverpool, both share the burden of a past almost too heavy to bear. Both have gone through periods of stagnation and then have been busy being born again. Last nightıs show was held in a carnival tent but there was no sign of Blind Willie Mctell, hardly any sign in terms of the set list of this being other than 1966. Bob saw he was at The Liverpool Pops Festival and give us his Œpopuları songs set. What a drag it is to see him do this I felt, what a drag it was for him to be before us - or so it seemed as he feigned utter boredom during Pill Box. His voice was mostly harsh, but it was not that harshness shot through with dark beauty that can be so thrilling to hear, it was often just ugly sounding. There were moments in the old songs when sparks began to fly, both harsh and gentle, during Visions, Just Like a Woman and Fourth Time. What was most obvious was the intense energy and conviction that became evident during the performances of Cold Irons Bound and Things Have Changed. These are Bobıs now songs, He sings them so well, phrasing and sound of voice a perfect match for the desperation of these songs - the beauty in harshness is to the fore here, a man singing for all his worth and finding some celebration in still being alive in times when it is difficult to know what oneıs worth is - heartbreaking songs about trying to love and protect what one has treasured, trying to protect those one has loved in times that have so many sides it is difficult to know what should be cared about. This sort of music making is why I am here this night - thank you Bob. But the rest of the show is no match for these songs, and the last few songs of the encore bore me to yawns and taking a look around me I see the yawns are catching. It is an older audience tonight, mostly 40, 50 plus. The £10 hike in ticket cost probably being inhibitive for much younger people. It is also the first show since 1990 that I have known people remind seated for most of the performance, but, as usual the crowd seems happy enough as they depart. The entertainer has pulled it off again. David Reid Review by Margot Crookshank I have just read the 3 current reviews posted on the website for Thursday's concert - what always strikes me when I look at Bob sites, they always seems to be from a male perspective, are there no women out there with comments to make and feelings to be shared? So here goes, my review of the concert from the female perspective which is not just about the music but the WHOLE experience . I fall into the 40 - ish category, my companion just past 50 (she first saw Dylan on the IOW in 1969), so we were definitely amongst the 40s-50s crowd one of the reviewers commented on making up the majority of the audience. That's not surprising as Bob Ddylan has been with us all our lives and he is a measure of our own mortality. As long as he performs, we will be there. We live in Brighton on the south coast so we travelled all day to get to Liverpool and were UP for it in every sense - my husband even said I could f *** the great man if the opportunity arose. And I guess that's what the female perspective is all about for us die-hard girl fans. No man has ever written such great love songs/poems and looking at him/listening to him when he finally came on stage just makes you want him so bad. We arrived in time at the tent to drink some well-chilled champagne as befitted the occasion. The atmosphere was one of great anticipation and the ongoing wait gave us the opportunity to talk about our shared passion with the people around us including a girl (now 42) who was photographed in 1966 with Bob Dylan in the streets of Liverpool. At last, the great man came on and I think the delay and build-up added to the charge of feeling in the tent and he could do no wrong. I went to Wembly last October and thought I had died and gone to heaven but the Liverpool show must be one of his finest. I know he did not speak to us, but does anyone else think he may have been just a little moved by the roar of pleasure and appreciation that just grew and grew over the evening? And he came back to perform a 21st number when 20 is the usual maximum. Until Thursday, I would never have imagined Desolation Row could be turned into the sexiest dance rhythm, followed so soon by Visions of Johanna given a Latin style. I was knocked out by the contemporary delivery of these two classics and that for me is his true genius as a live performer - to give us the old songs we want to hear but at the same time give something new and exciting. And that's what he does, he GIVES. A man of his years and wealth does not need to carry on with such a gruelling schedule, so I hope he gets the pleasure that he gives in equal measure. Thank you Bob Dylan, you have enriched my life not just on Thursday but for as long as I can remember and long may you continue to do the same for countless others around the world and most importanly yourself. >From a Brighton Girl. Review by Matt Reading The gig in Liverpool on Thursday was my 7th Dylan concert, and my 3rd this year - following Gothenberg and Helsingborg the other week. Going into the gig I was feeling slightly apprehensive. Gothenberg had been a fantastic night, with Dylan in great spirits, but Helsingborg had been weird. A couple of fantatsically angry performanced lifted that one, but Dylan clearly didn't want to be there. I'd heard similar stories of Bob being in a nasty mood in recent days, so it wasn't looking too good. Anyway, this was my first all-seater concert, and it was nice to have a couple of pints in the pub before the gig, with lots of Dylan t-shirts milling round. The side effect of this was that, once seated, I began to need the loo. They didn't let us in until half past eight, so I though I'd be able to hold on 'till Dylan came on. I managed to hold out up to 8:20, when I succumbed, and the resulting dash saw me back in my seat a good 10mins before Bob finally came on stage at about 8:45. The first song, 'Oh Babe It Ain't No Lie', is one of my favourite openers - and was pretty well done. The sound was very good and a lot louder than usual. The crowd here was MUCH louder and more enthusiastic than the ones in Sweden, giving Dylan a monumental reception. Bob didn't seem in that good a mood, but he never does to begin with. The next song, 'To Ramona', is not one I'm usually that fond of at the minute, and at Wembley last year I was distictly underwhelmed by it, but Dylan sang it very well tonight. The appearance of the harp at the end was very welcome, if the solo itself was nothing special. Dylan seemed rather bored and annoyed with his guitar the whole night, and his guitar playing on the whole was pretty bad, I thought, especially when it came to the electric songs. A lively and very well done 'Desolation Row' followed - rather better than the one I saw in Gothenberg. Dylan's voice tonight was rather hoarse...definitely not up to the phenomenal standards of last year's UK tour, but he sang this song with the passion it deserves. Maggie's Farm, next, worked fantastically as the electric opener...I love the new arrangement of this song, pleying around with the rythmn, and the band thowing out some fantastic blues licks. Dylan sang it pretty well, and closed it off with a kick-ass screeching harp solo that really added a lot to it, Dylan lurching all over the stage with his 'dancing', for want of a better word for it. He seems in an okay mood. I'm just slightly too far back to be able to see his facial expressions, but he wasn't nearly as bad as Helsingborg. The intro to 'Just Like A Woman' was very welcome, and although Dylan sang it enthusiastically, he didn't stay too true to the gorgeous original melody, and his voice seemed like it sometimes wasn't up to the tasks he was setting it. Following this was one of the highlights of the night for me, a great reading of 'This Wheel's On Fire', with those lovely harmony vocals ringing true. It lent a nice feel to the show, after the last three mid-60s songs. One of my criticisms of this gig would be that there were too many 65-66 songs. Not that they aren't great (his best, really) but they have a definite feel to them which led to a one-dimensional showcase of Dylans myriad songwriting talents. This Basement Tapes song was great though. Next up was my first hearing of The Big V - 'Visions Of Johanna'. There was a very short intro during which I said to my neighbouring friend Ed 'You know what this is...!'...he didn't seem click 'till the first line, when a huge roar from my left signalled that the penny had dropped. It was a very good performane - not as good as some recent one's I've heard, but not half bad, and hey I was just pleased to be seeing it. One moment took the shine off when Larry got a good telling-off from Bob for some reason, making Dylan lose his concentation and mumble a line or two. '4th Time Around' was great..a song that Dylan has made fit his voice well, but it paled rather in comparison to the following 'Boots Of Spanish Leather'. This was a song that I saw him do to great effect in Gothenberg, bu he certainly surpassed it here, creating exactly the right mix of regret and anger for this song. Definitely the highlight of the night for me. 'Stuck Inside Of Mobile' made it a very 'Blonde On Blonde'-y night, and this seemed slightly half-arsed to me. Again the harp came out which was welcome. It was alright, but certainly nothing special. 'Positively 4th Street' was one I really wanted to hear. It was louder and less laid-back than normal. Like in a lot of songs, Dylan's vocal intentions and his phrasing were very good and interesting, but his voice didn't seem able to stretch very far, or at least to where he was trying to make it go. 'Cold Irons Bound' was very LOUD, as were all the electric rockers tonight. Most of all, it was nice to hear something written post-1967, to be honest. I do wish Dylan wouldn't ignore the vast majority of his post-60s catalogue so much, but hey. Dylan didn't appear in the best of moods during 'Leopard Skin Pill Box Hat', there being long gaps between verses while he wandered around looking annoyed at his inability to play a decent guitar solo. Whether it was this annoyance or he simply forgot about it, he didn't introduce the band at all, or indeed say anything to the crowd the whole night. The encores on the whole were unmemorable, if good, versions of familiar songs. 'Things Have Changed' particularly engaged Dylan, and the hoarse vocals weren't such a barrier on this narrow-range song. As a nice touch at the end, he showed off his Oscar to the crowd, holding it aloft and generally looking pleased. His mood was truly very up-and-down tonight. The other standout of the encores was 'Knockin' On Heavens Door'..my first performance of this song. The new arrangement worked beautifully, and Bob sang it very well. This was one of the highlights of the night for me...a great performance of a classic song. So, for me a very good gig, not scaling the heights of Gothenberg and rather sixties-heavy. Having said that, I wouldn't have swapped 'Visions' or 'Boots' or 'Knockin' for anything, and there were a few other very good performances. I was relieved that Dylan was not in a strop tonight, but his voice in general (apart from the few songs I've mentioned) wasn't very impressive, however enthusiastic he was. Anyway, then it was on to Stirling the next day for my last gig of the tour Review by Ian Blagbrough So, another day, another dollar, another evening of the never ending tour. After reading other recent reviews, you need to know where this is going, it will end with a ringing endorsement, but it must start in a negative, ignored and abandoned mode. Try to stay with it to the end, I am sure it will be worth it. The venue for Liverpool Thursday 12th July is a huge marquee, a big top, large enough to be six tents all combined into one. The seating for 4200 sold out on the day ticket sales opened, there were many (probably 100) ticket touts for spares, and the inevitable (girl) seeker for a free ticket at the doors to the first tent. We arrived at 7.50 for the 8.00 start, lots of talk of NO PLASTIC for drinks, even of water, this later (not much) turned out to be completely bogus. Two huge lines for the seating, these moved quickly and 1,000 arrivals were quickly seated, only a few to arrive at 7.55 pm. The set is a large stage in this tent, the iron-works and tent supports lit in blue and green, it is all really tasteful. A huge white triangle of cloth across the back of he stage, a suspended circle of cloth directly above the performers, much could be made of the lighting, but the key fact was the Dvorak New World symphony which I thought was a rather nice touch on the way in ... more of this later … 8.00 pm comes and goes, 8.10 nothing new there. 8.21 new or possibly original set lists are now put out for this 8.00 concert, 8.28 final Fender guitar tune, are they really so bad that they need tuning every few minutes? 8.30 lots of folks leave for the toilets, a general loo break interrupts the slow hand-clap around the tent. 8.40 cries of "come-on Bob" replaced by the second round of slow hand-clap, lots of short snatches of Dvorak, it is the New World Symphony (later parts) and so much better than listening to some out-of-tune folk CD that you would not wish to have been given. 8.47 pm Columbia Recording Artists … banality again ... here we are, the troubadour checks his speed to arrive on stage a short interval after the band. What has happened back-stage for 45 mins? Are we going to see grumpy Bob, is this "arguing over the set-lists" Bob, is it "I do not like them and they do not deserve me" Bob, or is it that there is only one night in England and so many have come to pay homage in the VIP tent (note, as an aside, that in all the Dylan gigs I've been to, I've seen lots of beer outlets, smelled lots of illicit smells, but there was actually a champagne tent, for the over-60s?). Perhaps a reconstructed folk-singer like Bob prefers Anton Dvorak and champagne? Oh Babe, It Ain't No Lie opens the acoustic set, we settle down for the 4 x 3 acoustic-electric setting which the recent lists prepare us for. Note that (I believe) this is an Elizabeth Cotten song, arranged by Bob, and more importantly that the band are immediately into it. This is not the usual rubbish (sorry) of the sound-check to which I am now accustomed, whether Duncan and Brady, or Roving Gambler, rather the band and the singer are all together and seem on-the-ball from the off. Then into To Ramona a beautiful and unexpected number, Larry on mandolin and Dylan playing a great mouth organ, actually the first of many. What a delight these opening two, the voice is clear, not exactly singing, but certainly clear. The band are together, and here comes They're selling postcards of the hanging, Desolation Row with the first lines quickly spat out, so we all know where we stand (and it turns out to be quite a mid '60s evening). This was a grump-free opening and it boded well for the night. The electric set starts with an awesome Maggie's Farm, and simply excellent mouth organ. A point to note is that the troubadour has made an excellent recovery from the heart and lung infection, so that real length, strength and power went into these harp solos. Always a favourite in England, it seems to me, we get a complete verse for the introduction to Just Like A Woman, closing off this section with This Wheel's On Fire, a smash hit in the UK and a most popular theme for "Ab Fab", but then there were not many under 20s or under 30s present, so many will know it as Bob's, if your memory serves you well. The acoustic set returns with a telling Visions Of Johanna, and I doubt if we will hear this done better. Now if it is a tribute to the Beatles (several museums 200 yards away), or a nod towards George Harrison and his recent serious operation, but we clearly get the Norwegian Wood introduction to her bringing her Jamaican rum, Fourth Time Around. A splendid love-song follows, hauntingly delivered, one of the highlights was Boots Of Spanish Leather. Others reviewers have remarked about the clarity of the lyrics, great attention to detail was paid here, it was a delight to be present, great brush strokes, it was lovely. Stuck Inside Of Mobile, some power, less than I would have liked here, but still excellent mouth organ work. I am never so comfortable with Positively 4th Street, I always wonder who is the current target. It was a good rendition. All change, lots of confusion in the instruments, we get that elusive extra number, away from the '60s, TOOM Cold Irons Bound, haunting introduction. The first set closes with Leopard-Skin Pill-Box Hat. Probably more work-a-day stuff, as was Maggie's Farm, but there can be no complaints, the standard was still high. 2 mins break and at 10.17 they are back with Oscar for the encore set. I used to care, but … Although other reviewers have highlighted that not a word was spoken between us, the band were not (even) introduced, but the troubadour arrives now front centre stage and punches the air three times with Oscar. It got a great roar, the crowd went wild, the band appear more than happy. Into those best of hits section in the set-lists, which are somewhat predictable, but a joy to join in with, LARS and then the gospel singers are at the mike's for the backing vocals (well done boys), and an excellent rendition of Knockin' with no visible yawning where we were standing (throughout this concert). Some power unleashed for Watchtower, but I thought Charlie was subdued all evening. An excellent I shall be released at #18, H61 crashed around, and the truly anthemic BITW to close out. Surely 20 was enough, RDW, everybody must get stoned, for a final true encore. Lots of mouth organ, surely the entertainer was enjoying himself in the black suit with the white piping and the white boots, stark white house-lighting here, no cat's in the well, no Dogs, no TUIB, no Tambourine man. An excellent mixed set, incorporating Ramona, Johanna and Desolation Row. These were highlights, I was so delighted they were included. It is almost impossible to spot the songs in #2-7 slots, for those who like to play the predicting game. If you have tickets for Germany or Italy later on, I suggest that some arrangements approach Budokan, and that a lot of the mouth organ work makes Real Live worth a long hard listen. For those reviewers who want a little more critical aspect, this must be tempered with the fact that it all wound up at 11.03. We certainly got an on-form band and there was no sign of Mr Grumpy. I have seen him at Birmingham's NEC for just half this concert (65 mins). No, there was lots of Dylan on lead-guitar, and not just the three or one note wonders, there was plenty of mouth organ. TUIB has received its (well earned) rest, begged for here by some, but we also got some stark lighting, powerful electric guitars, the occasional three and even one four-Fender machine-heads party, generally I thought Charlie, stage right was learning his trade, watching and being obedient all night long. Purple-suited Tony and David gave a great lead, often excellent brush-strokes, and there was lots of serious counting and getting it together at the back. Enjoy the Italian job, sincere thanks again to Bill Pagel for all his work. Ian S. Blagbrough